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Old March 13th 18, 02:39 AM posted to comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.storage
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Just wondering. My friend does. I wonder if I should do that too.

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Old March 13th 18, 10:03 PM posted to comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.storage
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Yes!

I always run a full self-test. This can be done from the drive maker's
utility, or a program such as HD Sentinel.

I caught 2 drives this way, which I sent back.

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Old March 14th 18, 01:15 AM posted to comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.storage
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On 03/13/2018 06:09 PM, Computer Nerd Kev wrote:

Just wondering. My friend does. I wonder if I should do that too.

Thank you in advance.


No. The most likely source of failure is one of the chips. There is no
way to do a proper stress test on the electronics of a device.


Well there is, but to do it well might require removing the chips from
the HDD's circuit board and building a custom circuit to stress test
them. You generally assume that the manufacturer of the chips has gone
through enough testing to be reasonably confident that they conform to
their specifications. I'd imagine the same for the mechanicals of
mechanical HDDs.

I'd say that if you need to stress test your HDDs, then you don't
trust the manufacturer, in which case that prompts the question of
why you bought from them in the first place.


Many years ago I read that modern solid-state electronics either fail
within the first 100 years or run for a very long time. And a hard disk
is not entirely solid state.

As for "trusting the manufacturer," if you read user reviews on line,
you will find that, no matter which manufacturer, there are always
people who will never again buy drives by that manufacturer. IOW, every
manufacturer ships the occasional dud.

I therefore run extensive tests on all my new drives.

Perce

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Old March 14th 18, 01:17 AM posted to comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.storage
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On 3/13/2018 3:09 PM, Computer Nerd Kev wrote:

I'd say that if you need to stress test your HDDs, then you don't
trust the manufacturer, in which case that prompts the question of
why you bought from them in the first place.


Yikes!

If you don't stress test a new drive before putting data on it then it
may dump on your data.

So, you must use some software that can run its long self-test. This
will take a while.

Or it's Russian Roulette.


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Old March 14th 18, 10:30 PM posted to comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.storage
Computer Nerd Kev
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Default Do you stress test your new drives?

Percival P. Cassidy wrote:
On 03/13/2018 06:09 PM, Computer Nerd Kev wrote:

Just wondering. My friend does. I wonder if I should do that too.

Thank you in advance.

No. The most likely source of failure is one of the chips. There is no
way to do a proper stress test on the electronics of a device.


Well there is, but to do it well might require removing the chips from
the HDD's circuit board and building a custom circuit to stress test
them. You generally assume that the manufacturer of the chips has gone
through enough testing to be reasonably confident that they conform to
their specifications. I'd imagine the same for the mechanicals of
mechanical HDDs.

I'd say that if you need to stress test your HDDs, then you don't
trust the manufacturer, in which case that prompts the question of
why you bought from them in the first place.


Many years ago I read that modern solid-state electronics either fail
within the first 100 years or run for a very long time. And a hard disk
is not entirely solid state.


They can last for 100 years, or if they are operating at the limits of
their temperature rating (as is sometimes the case in poorly designed
equipment, or if it is operated in a harsh enviroment (for a HDD - not
enough airflow)) they might last a much shorter time. There will also
be some that, when made, just don't turn out quite right and will fail
in a _very_ short time. However as I stated, the manufacturer of the
electronic components should have sufficient tests in place to make
sure that the dodgy chips are weeded out before they get anywhere
near the HDD manufacturer.

I certainly expect that the HDD manufacturer would then run a burn-in
test on their finished HDDs to make sure that they are in good order
before shipping them off. If so, doing it again would be a waste of
time.

As for "trusting the manufacturer," if you read user reviews on line,
you will find that, no matter which manufacturer, there are always
people who will never again buy drives by that manufacturer. IOW, every
manufacturer ships the occasional dud.

I therefore run extensive tests on all my new drives.


After the manufacturer has stress tested the drive, I would expect that
further early failures would be from some component that simply breaks
after extended use rather than not being built to the standard required
to survive a high load situation. The only way to find that out is to
just run the drive and see how long it lasts - little point to extra
stress tests.

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Old March 14th 18, 10:34 PM posted to comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.storage
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Ed Light wrote:
On 3/13/2018 3:09 PM, Computer Nerd Kev wrote:

I'd say that if you need to stress test your HDDs, then you don't
trust the manufacturer, in which case that prompts the question of
why you bought from them in the first place.


Yikes!

If you don't stress test a new drive before putting data on it then it
may dump on your data.

So, you must use some software that can run its long self-test. This
will take a while.

Or it's Russian Roulette.


It's always a bit of a gamble whatever you do, that's what backups
(etc.) are for. I don't think that repeating the initial tests that
the manufacturer should have already done will have much impact on
the odds.

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Old March 14th 18, 10:56 PM posted to comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.storage
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Default Do you stress test your new drives?

On 3/14/2018 3:30 PM, Computer Nerd Kev wrote:

I certainly expect that the HDD manufacturer would then run a burn-in
test on their finished HDDs to make sure that they are in good order
before shipping them off. If so, doing it again would be a waste of
time.


By stress test, if we're talking about a full self-test, which can take
hours, testing every sector, then I'm sure that the manufacturers don't
do that, judging by all the bad drives people receive.

If you mean, do they quickly test the circuit board, then I really hope
they do do that!

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Old March 14th 18, 11:02 PM posted to comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.storage
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Default Do you stress test your new drives?

On 3/14/2018 3:34 PM, Computer Nerd Kev wrote:

It's always a bit of a gamble whatever you do, that's what backups
(etc.) are for. I don't think that repeating the initial tests that
the manufacturer should have already done will have much impact on
the odds.


I actually had to send a Samsung and a Western Digital back because they
didn't pass the full self-test, where the drive totally scans itself.

It can take hours to run and so I doubt if the manufacturers do that. It
would certainly be better if they did.

Probably the drives would have accepted data and who knows, maybe
corrupted some of it, even eventually.

It's best to use a copy utility instead of Explorer, that can be set to
compare the original and copied files. My 1st inkling of one HD going
bad was when I copied a TV show I'd just recorded and it wasn't ok.

Otherwise I'd have gone on using the bad drive, and the copied show
wouldn't have played.

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